If they want to reform things, I think most Americans are for that. Create a marketplace for buying insurance? great. tort reform? great. things DO need to be fixed. things like what I posted in this post have NO PLACE in a “reform” because they’re “fundamentally changing” the system, not just reforming it. the government should have NO SAY in whether or not your treatments are limited. that’s a personal and family decision.

Martin, riddle me this: If you’re crying in the woods and no one hears you, are you still crying?

If they want to reform things, I think most Americans are for that. Create a marketplace for buying insurance? great. tort reform? great. things DO need to be fixed. things like what I posted in this post have NO PLACE in a “reform” because they’re “fundamentally changing” the system, not just reforming it. the government should have NO SAY in whether or not your treatments are limited. that’s a personal and family decision.

Martin, riddle me this: If you’re crying in the woods and no one hears you, are you still crying?

‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—
‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
‘‘(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake-holders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order. ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;
‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary)

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Martin, what does this say?
It means that unless you have an “order” to keep you alive, they don’t have to if you’re old. it means that it’s no longer their job to keep you ALIVE. they let you die, save the money, and screw you over… well, your family, anyway.

Martin, without asking the Huffington Post: can you tell me how this is constitutional?

‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).
‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—
‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;
‘‘(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and
‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake-holders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order. ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—
‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;
‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;
‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary)

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Martin, what does this say?
It means that unless you have an “order” to keep you alive, they don’t have to if you’re old. it means that it’s no longer their job to keep you ALIVE. they let you die, save the money, and screw you over… well, your family, anyway.

Martin, without asking the Huffington Post: can you tell me how this is constitutional?

I have already read the bill and nowhere does it say that end of life decisions are going to be made by the gov’t. How can you get that from the bill? Are you orly taitz?

Anyhow, I want to read the GOP’s plan. Can you point me there or are you too busy trying to prove something about Obama.

I have already read the bill and nowhere does it say that end of life decisions are going to be made by the gov’t. How can you get that from the bill? Are you orly taitz?

Anyhow, I want to read the GOP’s plan. Can you point me there or are you too busy trying to prove something about Obama.

It’s clear that you don’t understand the bill and I seriously doubt that you’ve read or studied much of it. Seems to me that you believe whatever you’re told– not just about HR 3200, but about ‘Tenthers’, ‘Birthers’ and every sound position based on facts and valid historical documentation (or, lack thereof). Talk about choosing your own adventure– you’re coming from a position of transference (um, yeah, that basically means you’re accusing me of your own faults).

Big words? Where? Scaring small people? How? Your own comments even define you and demonstrate by your accusations that the problem is with you and your own ignorance.

I don’t expect you to have the capability at this point to comprehend my words, but I’ll try to simplify your one and only point in this comment. The Bill is clear about government choosing end of life options. By definition, that means exactly what it says.

I *would have* gone into the details of the Bill, if you were a reasonable person, but I don’t wanna intimidate or confuse you further with ‘big words’ or scare a small person such as yourself.

Go back to sleep Martin; that mean ol’ bogeyman isn’t real after all.

It’s clear that you don’t understand the bill and I seriously doubt that you’ve read or studied much of it. Seems to me that you believe whatever you’re told– not just about HR 3200, but about ‘Tenthers’, ‘Birthers’ and every sound position based on facts and valid historical documentation (or, lack thereof). Talk about choosing your own adventure– you’re coming from a position of transference (um, yeah, that basically means you’re accusing me of your own faults).

Big words? Where? Scaring small people? How? Your own comments even define you and demonstrate by your accusations that the problem is with you and your own ignorance.

I don’t expect you to have the capability at this point to comprehend my words, but I’ll try to simplify your one and only point in this comment. The Bill is clear about government choosing end of life options. By definition, that means exactly what it says.

I *would have* gone into the details of the Bill, if you were a reasonable person, but I don’t wanna intimidate or confuse you further with ‘big words’ or scare a small person such as yourself.

Go back to sleep Martin; that mean ol’ bogeyman isn’t real after all.

If you really think the gov’t is going to tell you when you can die or when someone in your family can die than I cannot talk to you. I have read that part of the bill and how you get that from there means you probably are still choosing your own adventure.

If you really think the gov’t is going to tell you when you can die or when someone in your family can die than I cannot talk to you. I have read that part of the bill and how you get that from there means you probably are still choosing your own adventure.